i've known saosin way back long ago. when they only had their ep out. anthony was about to leave the band, or just had left the band when i was really loving them, playing their ep a good 10 times a day.

then cove came out, and they released their album. unlike most people, and saosin "fans" i was able to love cove just the same...i think the general answer will be anthony > cove, but thats ok. cove fit the band just as well.

saw circa survived live, amazing. saw saosin live with cove..real good too. after listening to post hardcore,m etalcore, and hardcore every day, searching band after band for a good 2-3 years.. i finally had enough. switched over to rap, and never listened to my "old" music again (but still loved it)

now, my musical taste was changing again. i now just listened to everything. i recently checked for saosin again just for fun, and heard the new album. i am no longer a fan. i skimmed some songs, and played a good number of songs, but before even finishing 50 percent of the album, i deleted it. i didnt even give it a chance, you're probably going to say..but thats JUST the problem! ive NEVER felt ike deleting any saosin song, or skipping over it. now, i dont even care to listen to the album.

everyone said saosin was more generic because of coves voice and how he doesnt have the pipes like anthony. i didnt care much, but wow..now i can totally see. the band has just gone down hill..so generic..so plain. nothing special at all. and it sucks to say that. the album just is something ive heard hundreds of times before (remeber when i said i went a good 2-3 years everyday listening to bands just like saosin and in that whole genre?) it gets even worse than that.. im hearin songs from saosin that i could SWEAR i heard on their last album.


this isnt supposed to be a hate thread. but i know most of these threads are dick riding threads..maybe we can talk about just our disappointments of our fav band, and somethin you would they hadda done differently? nevertheless, ill always listen to old saosin, and love it.

i dont find most of the album generic or rehashed at all, i think alot of the songs are way different than what weve heard before. i will say that there are some songs that i agree should be lost and forgotten: It's all over now, what were we made for, the worst of me, and nothing is what it seems in particular. everything else though is fairly different and ungeneric. i do kinda wish that they hadnt strayed so far from their old stuff, but i can see the reason for the change and understand

I have to agree with Greg. I don't hear anything on this album thats just redone or similiar. Thats what I really like about this album. Beau said it best, all 3 albums (TTN, Self-titled, ISOSG) are different and he doesn't compare the 3. I feel the exact same way. I would actually go as far as saying that Saosin GREW on this album. They showed they could change it up, attract a new audience and still put out a great album.

"We haven't changed our genre; we just expanded the spectrum of what we can do."-Justin Shekoski
I think Saosin did right with this album. They still do some hard stuff, which their known for but they're not afraid to venture off into something different. I do see myself skipping over The Worst of Me and WWMF a little but other than that i like the album as a whole. Who knows we may see a hardcore record in their next album. All I can say is Saosin can touch many area's of music and they seem to be good at it and still manage to put on a amazing show.

what i like about this album is that, they knew what people wanted, they knew they could've made that record (obvious from the b-sides)
but they made what they wanted to and it's still good. to me, the new record isn't better than the self titled, but i still enjoy it a lot.

They didn't make the album I wanted. I'm with saocore, I've listened to the album a few times and and have been done with it ever since. I'll still follow Saosin news, try to catch them live and give their new music a chance, but Saosin has been steadily going down hill in my opinion.

i like move slow...

i haven't been getting on here as much, so i figured this was a good place to post that.

theres a whole discussion of it in the b-sides thread

i completely agree.

you're entitled to your opinions just like everyone else, but if you're a true die-hard "fan" of saosin, you'll give them a little more respect than "half the album then deleted it."

at first, i'll admit i didn't like a handful of the songs on the new record but, they grew on me. i really enjoy the entire album now. you have to realize that this is a special album. they let you take a very personal look into their recording process which wasn't what they normally do, chat with them AS they were recording the album, and even released an EP of "demos" so they could see how people liked what they had so far. the fact that they give that much back to their fans for their dedication isn't something you should just throw away because you've become some wigger or acquired a new taste in music.

basically all i'm saying is sit and LISTEN to the album the whole way through at least once. like i said before, if you consider yourself a real "fan" of saosin's body of work, then this should be no different as far as you playing it once. it's a tough crowd to work with and no you can't please all the people all of the time but within the music business there's a certain respect that should be shared across the spectrum. you owe them that.

and, if you don't like it and think it's shit then so be it.

That's a really good point and I totally agree.

I think I like it more simply because we saw the process, we saw them grow and try new things. I love the S/T and all the old stuff, but I also really like the new stuff. Like everybody else I like some songs more than others. I also think I like it more because the guys fully back it up. I think Chris said something about how one of the songs was the "crappy-pop" song they had to write. I respect their honesty, hard work, and enthusiasm about the record. It doesn't compare with any other of the albums because it's not suppose to.

Being white and listening to rap does not make someone a wigger. Just throwing that out there.

too true, since musical tastes differ infinitely and you cant please everyone, you might as well just make a record that makes you happy, nothing wrong with that.


thats what he said about It's All Over Now, haha

Mhmm I agree with your last part. I heard them say it before. Since theres a 3 year gap between each album, things changed a little and this is the music they wanted to create on this album at this time. If youre trying to compare the albums and coming to the conclusion that they dont sound the same, then Saosin accomplished what they wanted.

you all seem to like the album cause you guys got to watch them work in the studio, so that probably makes you feel more connected and appreciate exactly what they went thru for the music.

well, i never watched any of those videos. all i hear is the music. and every single song has the same formula..its just not unique. its not original. its something ive heard before. all the songs are predictable.

hearing the same chorus 3-5 times in each song; check
hearing the "dramatic" end of the song, which is really just a more high pitched version of the original chorus: check
minimal/no guitar riffs: check
minimal/no bad ass drumming: check


love saosin, but this is a let down for me..but over the years and listening to saosin as they grew older, this was the obvious direction that was going to happen.

the guitar riffs are there, theyre just blended into the background because they put emphasis on the vocals more for this album

new album sucked, i thought everyone was already in agreement?

do you not even know what you're saying? the guitar riffs are there, they just put them into the background?


lol.

I dont value for the guitar parts that I cant hear on the record.No matter how much stress they put on vocals,music must not sound like singer singing to backgroung noise which you just cant figure out.

yes thats exactly what im saying.

oh snap. get him greg.

and yeah, i figured there was talk about it in another thread somewhere on here. i just felt that by putting it in here, i would be helping to change the topic and make something out of one of the most worthless threads ever.

Shit is getting good.

k well if theyre mushed up in the background then i guess i cant hear them, so really they arent even there.

which is apparently what you're saying as well? so anyways..

This thread has reminded me of something that I was feeling with Bury Me & Move Slow

1.Alex is my favorite drummer & did awesome parts in On My Own & Is It Real,but his drumming was pushed in the background of the mix.He also did cool stuff in slower songs like Nothing Is What It Seems & Alarming sound but both this songs lacked good guitar parts

2.Move Slow & Bury Me have awesome guitar parts & they still aren't able to move me & attribute this to the drumming in both this songs.Drums are given large part of the mix & they are loud & clear but what alex is playing is generic tic tak tic tak tic tak tic tic tic sort of drumming,he has relied too much on tempo changes in both these songs

I want the guitars,drums & vocals to explode together in a song, not one by one

^ hehehe...

Cove said in the interview on absolutepunk.net that he somewhat 'leashed' alex as a tease on s album to want the drum fills more. Even then, I thought he did a good job this time around. This album was meant to let Cove's vocal abilities shine instead of getting shown up by the guitars or drums. I love this album in all honesty. Every song was great. The only songs I feel iffy about are Say Goobye which is growing onto me now and It's All Over Now (yeah, who actually likes this song). I honestly like What Were We Made For? and Nothing Is What It Seems. NIWIS is a great song and I always feel happy listening to WWWMF.

Overall, great album. Can't wait for the next one. I know it's only been 2 months since the album has been out, but I think I can wait for now cuz I love all the work Saosin has ever done

What does this even mean?
If you're going to try to transcribe drum beats with words, say something other than a sequence of onomatopoeia's which nobody understands.

OK,you didn't get it.I was referring to his monotonous drumming in those songs.Only significant variation I hear is tempo change of the same pattern

Alex sitting in as a guest drummer - http://www.zshare.net/audio/687102790e1ba0ca/
Alex did real good work with Open Hand

well, either way, your transcription was horribly inaccurate. i'd say the drumming for most of the songs is more like tica tik tic tica tica zeka tik taka.

duh.

Ya,it might be inaccurate.Its challenging to put them in words so another person understands what you are referring to.Still drums in all the three b-sides are monotonous & boring whereas guitar are awesome in all three

I agree to an extent. I do think the drums could've been a bit better, but overall, I felt that the drums were legit. Like Cove said in a chat with him on absolutepunk.net, he wanted to put him on a leash just as a tease to make us all want it more. With this album showing us what Cove's vocal abilities are and their previous work showing us how great the other members are, I can expect their third album to be huge

I think that reason is bull shit. It doesn't even make sense. The self titled drumming was one of the best parts of the album. To keep them down on purpose is just stupid and using that as a reason to justify why the album lacks the usual Saosin drumming is delusional. Don't think for a second that Justin, Beau, Chris, and Cove don't know they have one of the best drummers in the scene. To keep him down in a disgrace.

That being said, at least A Rod likes to throw some great shit in live.

So true dude,he is awesome & to put a leash on him is stupid.Some song just lack the punch of SAOSIN because he is just shuffling through the drums.He can really rip it apart dudes,take the song to a new level

i honestly dont think it was all the bands fault...on the dvd everyone was talking about how alex doesnt realize the amount of poteential he has as a drummer, and that he can be pretty self concious about his abilities. i dunno how much weight that holds, but i do remember that being said.

another thng to consider is that they went with different producers this time, howard benson hardly edited alex's drumming at all, but whos to say matt squire didnt, or john feldmann or butch walker? producers who want to make hits always feel the need to simplify everything to make it easier to digest...gotta love the world of mainstream music

The band should realize that Alex is another voice of Saosin.

Almost everyone is bummed about the drumming on ISOSG. People can hate on Benson, whatever. He did some really good shit on the self titled. Love the fact that he didn't touch the drums. If the producers of ISOSG were telling Saosin to cut some drum parts, and they didn't want to, they shoulda bounced. It's a disservice to their fans to hold Alex back.

That being said I still really like ISOSG. I just feel that Saosin is a kick ass live band first and foremost and the self titled captured more of the energy of their live show than ISOSG did.

"Keeping Alex on a leash" doesn't even make sense. They realize he is an amazing drummer so they should utilize that.

I agree. I don't really know why they would do that. I know he's a great drummer and I don't know why Cove would say that if he thinks he's a great drummer. I'm just saying what he said in a chatroom with him on absolutepunk.net.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IE0c6LZ53C4
This is cover of On my own drums.He really is an awesome drummer.I only came to realize the beauty of on my own drums after watching this cover

saocore is absolutely correct in everything. why in gods name would they put more emphasis on vocals? all cove does is try to sing too high and he doesnt have the breath control for it like anthony does. when i first listened to saosin i didnt even know about the 2 vocalists. i listened to the self titled album and enjoyed it. then i got the come close live cd and found the vocals to be pure garbage, like off key at all times... then someone told me that there was a second vocalist. so im thinking, hmm this guy must be the new singer and the old one must have done the self titled album. basically what im saying is that cove is so bad live (from what ive listened to) that he made me think that it was anthony singing on the self titled album(until i knew better and found out more specifically when he left the band). obviously i know better now and respect cove a little more.
ISOSG was such a letdown for me. it just doesnt have the energy anymore. and the lyrics have gotten shittier too, like i know they arent going to be as raw as they were in translating the name but come on it just sounds so sappy, like almost too direct in what is being said.
dont get me wrong i dont like hate cove but i dont understand why he sings so poorly live, if you have effects on your voice during recording then have them live too. its just really disappointing because it makes me not want to go see saosin and instead go see circa survive (who doesnt have as much energy as saosin, especially for drumming) and hope to god that anthony says "you know what i havent done translating the name in forever, lets play that one just for the hell of it"
either cove cant sing, and just covers it up with auto tune and effects, or hes too busy jumping around to have proper posture. but you know what? perfect vocals create about a million times more energy than jumping around trying to get the crowd going. if you sound amazing the crowd will get going on their own.

so yeah....i find i cant listen to the new album, i just listening to translating the name and self titled.

oh and for those who say "real die hard saosin fans" should like the new album or whatever, your an idiot and your knowledge of music and notes is about zero percent lol
im a saosin fan because i can really get into every single fucking song prior to ISOSG, anthony green and cove reber alike, whats changed?

cove's vocal abilities? lol are you retarded? like do you know anything about voice? breath control? or like music in general? lol like stop making stupid excuses, previous work showing us how great the other members are? cove needs to stop singing so high because his name is cove not anthony. everyone keeps looking for hidden meanings, like oh it sounds like this because they were trying to do it more like that. the new cd just doesnt sound like saosin, the only song that i find actually kind of sounds like saosin is the worst of me, but even at the last chorus when cove goes higher....its just not smooth like anthony's voice is at the range. like its not a sin for cove to have a different range than anthony, its annoying because when cove actually does stay in his range it sounds badass when mixed with perfect balanced guitars and drums. putting focus on any one aspect for a while album is stupid.

Nice one, dude. Way to go!

Maybe if you spent time here you'd realize no regular board member here claims to be " a real hxc sao fan BRAH." This thread is posted all the time.

And really? Circa would never play a Saosin song.

this band has been eating shit for years. they couldnt and will never follow up the e.p. whats the discussion?

Fix your grammar so we can talk because all I'm reading is "Like, like, like, like" and I find that to be just as annoying as how you find Cove not staying in his range annoying.

Of course I know stuff about music, breath control, and voice so don't talk as if I don't.

Obviously, everything was toned down for a reason so if you want to be a smartass about it, how about you set up an interview with the band or meet them and ask them why their new album doesn't sound like Saosin. It is Saosin. They're just showing us that they can widen their horizons when it comes to music so that they aren't recycling everything they do. We don't need a Self-titled part 2 even though I'm sure people like you would like that. They said in their chat with Eye Alaska that they wanted to try something a little differently this time around. If your a fan of originality and not diversity, then this band just isn't for you.

The lyrics are far more emotional than the lyrics from their first album so perhaps they wanted more of an emphasis on them. Idk, like I said, how about you ask one of them and come back and tell us, since you know so much. Sounds like a plan to me.

Also, why do you keep on comparing Cove and Anthony? They're two different people capable of doing different things. I know damn well Cove can't sing just like Anthony can because he said it himself in an interview. Also, where did I say the whole album was just about Cove. There are plenty of songs that showcase everyones ability such as Secrets, Deep Down, Why Can't You See, On My Own, The Worst Of Me, and Is This Real. You talk as though you think I think the whole album is about Cove.

i didn't even read your whole post but this is something i don't understand.
when people say, oh it's doesn't sound like saosin or something along those lines.
i don't understand what that sound is, the only saosin releases that sound similar are the eps with
demos that we get before a full length (i.e. black ep to self titled and the grey to isosg) even though people have preferences
of songs between the eps the sound is the same. besides that nothing has sounded the same, ttn doesn't sound like that self titled
and the self titled doesn't sound like isosg. there isn't an exact consistent sound, so why would you expect this latest release to sound like the previous one.
i do miss the riffing and insane drumming from before and i still don't like this record better than the self titled but i can still enjoy it.
i'm not trying to argue with anyone just giving my opinion on the subject.

agree w/ both of these

i see what you did there!

on to business:

while i'm glad that this new member is getting in on the debate, coming out with guns blazing isn't the best way to state a case on this board or anywhere on the net really. i'm gonna go with the simple conclusion that they were reading this thread and felt their opinion needed to be heard so he/she made an account. which is straight, because this thread is really bringing up some amazing points, but what i find equally annoying as your annoyance in cove's pitch control, is your self-entitlement to fire off on all cylinders to people who were have a pretty legitimate debate/discussion about the band's newest release.

i've said my piece about how i feel and don't really feel a need to elaborate but i find myself agreeing with all of the statements about how keeping alex on a leash is simply preposterous. i feel like it was said as a joke and not to be taken seriously because also stated, alex is a very, very good drummer and i'm sure he knows that, but he's a modest one.

i've lost where i'm going with this so i'll end it here.

Completely agree. There's no way they purposely kept Alex on a leash. Circumstances had an impact on the album. The dudes are great musicians. They know who their drummer is.

And grouping the board as people who blindly defend Saosin is completely wrong. Most members here bring up great points about positives and negatives about the band.

Lol, my bad on the typo. Also, I do realize I was a little harsh when I didn't need to be. In regards to me making an account, I figured I would and take part in some discussion because I've been visiting the boards a lot in the past few months so I figured "why not?". I agree though. Perhaps I took the statement about Alex being held back seriously when it might've been a joke. Who knows. I do think he's a great drummer regardless.

I apologize once again for any and all irrational comments I made in my previous post. I'm really just debating because, well, it's fun



Agreed. From what I've gathered, I'm assuming Cove said Alex was a great drummer but doesn't give himself enough credit on the dvd about the new album. I've never seen it so now that I'm looking at two different sides from the same person (being Cove) for this matter, it does seem confusing. Someone really should ask him in person hahaha.

Overall, I do enjoy a good debate and I had fun with this. However, it seems to be coming to a close with members coming to terms with each other. Then again, you never know.

No no, I wasn't talking about you man. I was talking about "kwlfca"

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